1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:06,098 --> 00:00:08,800 This is my house of dolls. 3 00:00:08,801 --> 00:00:11,578 Dolls were originally, 4 00:00:11,579 --> 00:00:13,549 vessels for the dead. 5 00:00:13,550 --> 00:00:15,450 My 9-year-old daughter, she walked in her room 6 00:00:15,451 --> 00:00:17,225 and saw a little girl playing in her closet. 7 00:00:17,226 --> 00:00:20,609 She just wants something bad to happen. 8 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:23,512 Ghosts can't harm you. Only the living can. 9 00:00:23,513 --> 00:00:25,981 I feel like I'm just out of my league with this one. 10 00:00:25,982 --> 00:00:28,987 The living people can hear the dead people talking. 11 00:00:28,988 --> 00:00:31,187 (Squeals) No. 12 00:00:31,188 --> 00:00:32,700 I'd like some answers. 13 00:00:32,701 --> 00:00:35,552 You need to leave because it's not safe. 14 00:00:35,553 --> 00:00:36,959 (Man) Why isn't it safe? 15 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,340 Because so many people died around here. 16 00:00:42,312 --> 00:00:45,200 My name is Amy Allan. 17 00:00:45,201 --> 00:00:47,361 There's something down there. 18 00:00:47,362 --> 00:00:48,719 I see dead people. 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,606 He doesn't want me back there. 20 00:00:50,607 --> 00:00:52,740 I speak to dead people. 21 00:00:52,741 --> 00:00:54,096 She's pissed. 22 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:55,390 And they speak to me. 23 00:00:55,391 --> 00:00:57,801 She doesn't like the people who live here. 24 00:00:57,802 --> 00:01:00,882 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 25 00:01:00,883 --> 00:01:02,608 Someone did hang themselves here. 26 00:01:02,609 --> 00:01:04,320 - Where? - There. 27 00:01:04,321 --> 00:01:06,108 I rely on my partner. 28 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:09,459 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 29 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:11,156 Did you want to kill him? 30 00:01:11,157 --> 00:01:14,697 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 31 00:01:14,698 --> 00:01:16,496 She did die in this house. 32 00:01:16,497 --> 00:01:17,749 It's my job to reveal them. 33 00:01:17,750 --> 00:01:20,116 Would you be surprised if there were bodies in the basement? 34 00:01:20,117 --> 00:01:21,037 No. 35 00:01:21,038 --> 00:01:22,539 But Steve and I never speak... 36 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,474 We never communicate during an investigation. 37 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:26,061 Until the very end. 38 00:01:26,062 --> 00:01:27,413 Not good. 39 00:01:27,414 --> 00:01:29,378 Will we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 40 00:01:29,379 --> 00:01:30,572 Will it get worse? 41 00:01:30,573 --> 00:01:31,781 Or time to get out? 42 00:01:31,782 --> 00:01:33,249 - Oh, yes. - Whew. 43 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:36,310 (Indistinct whispering) 44 00:01:50,433 --> 00:01:53,433 (Train whistle blows) 45 00:02:00,318 --> 00:02:03,287 Steve will dig into the history of a location. 46 00:02:03,288 --> 00:02:05,289 He'll talk to the people involved. 47 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:09,293 He'll gather all the facts so that later when we come together, 48 00:02:09,294 --> 00:02:15,194 we can see if our research has drawn any significant conclusions. 49 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:23,339 I'm down in Cramerton, North Carolina, which is just outside of Charlotte. 50 00:02:24,682 --> 00:02:28,902 Cramerton used to be the location of the country's largest cotton mill. 51 00:02:28,903 --> 00:02:32,143 This is classic America. 52 00:02:32,193 --> 00:02:34,928 I got a call from a couple named Lisa and John. 53 00:02:34,929 --> 00:02:36,421 They have a 9 year old daughter, 54 00:02:36,422 --> 00:02:40,491 who's been seeing apparitions and hearing noises. 55 00:02:40,492 --> 00:02:42,697 They're obviously concerned. 56 00:02:42,698 --> 00:02:48,598 So Amy and I are down here to see if we can find out anything to help them out. 57 00:02:48,676 --> 00:02:51,136 (Eerie music) 58 00:03:25,559 --> 00:03:31,459 (Amy) Matt will come in and do what we call a cleaning of the location. 59 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:35,570 So he'll remove anything like... 60 00:03:35,571 --> 00:03:39,771 Personal family photos, artwork, names. 61 00:03:40,529 --> 00:03:42,869 Any type of leading information, 62 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:46,396 so that I won't lose my focus during the investigation. 63 00:03:46,397 --> 00:03:50,117 (Amy) Whoa. Somebody pushed me. 64 00:03:50,596 --> 00:03:53,162 - My head, man. - What happened? 65 00:03:53,163 --> 00:03:56,306 I don't know. Maybe somebody got hit in the back of the head... 66 00:03:56,307 --> 00:03:58,211 Really, really, really... 67 00:03:58,212 --> 00:04:00,612 Really hard. 68 00:04:00,779 --> 00:04:03,159 Like, eh. I got hit! 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,700 And I'm on the ground now. 70 00:04:21,932 --> 00:04:24,688 - Steve? Hi. - Lisa. Hi, how are you? 71 00:04:24,689 --> 00:04:28,589 - Good. Come on in. - Thank you. 72 00:04:34,019 --> 00:04:36,513 This is my house of dolls. 73 00:04:36,514 --> 00:04:38,974 (Eerie music) 74 00:04:52,743 --> 00:04:54,766 I have over 2,000 dolls. 75 00:04:54,767 --> 00:04:56,617 - Here, in the house? - Here, yes. 76 00:04:56,618 --> 00:04:58,331 Yeah, they're... they're everywhere. 77 00:04:58,332 --> 00:05:01,817 Just every place you can find to fit a doll, there is one. 78 00:05:01,818 --> 00:05:05,294 Yeah, I mostly keep and collect dolls. My dolls go back to over 100 years old. 79 00:05:05,295 --> 00:05:07,432 I got to be honest with you. I'm a little creeped out. 80 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:10,826 - This doesn't bother anybody else? - Nobody in the house it bothers. 81 00:05:10,827 --> 00:05:13,957 I've had people that we hire to do work for us, 82 00:05:13,958 --> 00:05:15,773 come in and not want to come in and work. 83 00:05:15,774 --> 00:05:16,975 Yeah, I could see. 84 00:05:16,976 --> 00:05:19,055 If I have five or six dolls, I could put them away. 85 00:05:19,056 --> 00:05:21,393 I'm not putting away a hundred so you can work on my house. 86 00:05:21,394 --> 00:05:24,602 We just have to get somebody else that's not creeped out by eyes looking at him. 87 00:05:24,603 --> 00:05:27,407 Lisa, beside yourself, who else lives in the house? 88 00:05:27,408 --> 00:05:29,537 - My husband Johnny... - Okay. 89 00:05:29,538 --> 00:05:32,560 And my 9-year-old daughter Salem and me. 90 00:05:32,561 --> 00:05:34,689 All right, so why don't you tell me what's going on? 91 00:05:34,690 --> 00:05:38,860 Well, Salem has been coming and telling us about people sitting on her bed 92 00:05:38,861 --> 00:05:40,944 and talking to her since we moved in. 93 00:05:40,945 --> 00:05:43,353 She would say, the lady was on my bed last night. 94 00:05:43,354 --> 00:05:45,197 You know, the lady talked to me last night. 95 00:05:45,198 --> 00:05:48,474 And just recently, about a month ago, she walked in her room 96 00:05:48,475 --> 00:05:53,275 and saw a little girl playing in her closet. 97 00:05:54,777 --> 00:05:56,690 (Girl laughing) 98 00:05:56,691 --> 00:05:58,977 She said a little girl was messing in her clothes. 99 00:05:58,978 --> 00:06:00,807 Do you think she's getting that from you guys, 100 00:06:00,808 --> 00:06:03,061 or is there something that she just picked up on her own? 101 00:06:03,062 --> 00:06:05,682 She brings home books from the library on World War II, 102 00:06:05,683 --> 00:06:08,305 and Yellow Fever epidemics. 103 00:06:08,306 --> 00:06:12,173 And she's very interested in war and death. 104 00:06:12,174 --> 00:06:13,642 - Really? - But I got to really... 105 00:06:13,643 --> 00:06:16,257 Really stop her on some of the things she's interested in. 106 00:06:16,258 --> 00:06:18,293 Like, no, that's all you can see of this. 107 00:06:18,294 --> 00:06:20,208 It's just kind of weird. 108 00:06:20,209 --> 00:06:21,296 All right. 109 00:06:21,297 --> 00:06:23,757 (Eerie music) 110 00:06:39,648 --> 00:06:41,439 Yeah. 111 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,360 Okay. 112 00:06:44,109 --> 00:06:47,349 Hmm, that's interesting. 113 00:07:00,383 --> 00:07:02,303 Yeah. 114 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:04,359 Uh... 115 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:10,022 Just a lot of dolls, which are creepy. Dolls are creepy. 116 00:07:17,793 --> 00:07:20,193 My goodness. 117 00:07:20,343 --> 00:07:23,643 Oh, my. My, my goodness. 118 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:27,356 Dolls were originally... 119 00:07:27,357 --> 00:07:30,106 Vessels for the dead. Like to... 120 00:07:30,107 --> 00:07:35,111 So that the dead could be within the dolls because the dolls are hollow shells. 121 00:07:35,112 --> 00:07:38,701 Yeah, they were vessels made for the dead. 122 00:07:38,702 --> 00:07:43,130 And the dead are talking about being trapped. 123 00:07:43,131 --> 00:07:46,071 They want to leave. 124 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:49,359 (Indistinct whispering) 125 00:08:04,483 --> 00:08:08,203 (Amy) Oh, my. My, my goodness. 126 00:08:09,149 --> 00:08:12,773 I have never seen this many dolls in my life. 127 00:08:12,774 --> 00:08:16,077 In some cultures, dolls were created as vessels 128 00:08:16,078 --> 00:08:18,917 or resting places for the human soul. 129 00:08:18,918 --> 00:08:24,818 Problem is they can also attract souls that haven't moved on yet. 130 00:08:28,621 --> 00:08:31,753 This is Salem's room. This is where she sleeps. 131 00:08:31,754 --> 00:08:34,129 - And she's gonna be home soon? - Yeah. 132 00:08:34,130 --> 00:08:36,061 - It won't be long, yeah. She'll be home. - Okay. 133 00:08:36,062 --> 00:08:38,107 I'll be able to talk to her when she gets here. 134 00:08:38,108 --> 00:08:41,607 And you mentioned something about, there being somebody by the bed? 135 00:08:41,608 --> 00:08:47,039 Yeah. She has woken up many times and said that she talked to a lady at her bed. 136 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,339 One time, she said she could feel the lady's weight 137 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:54,256 of her arm when she laid her arm across her legs. 138 00:08:54,257 --> 00:09:00,157 And there's the closet where she saw the little girl playing in her clothes. 139 00:09:00,322 --> 00:09:02,902 (Girl laughing) 140 00:09:03,947 --> 00:09:06,659 There's, like, a little dead girl in the closet. 141 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:08,580 Uh... 142 00:09:09,532 --> 00:09:12,112 And I think... 143 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,176 She just... 144 00:09:14,177 --> 00:09:17,837 Wants something bad to happen. 145 00:09:19,457 --> 00:09:21,748 Why do you say that they want something bad to happen? 146 00:09:21,749 --> 00:09:24,715 Because the little girl just told me that. 147 00:09:24,716 --> 00:09:25,990 What did she tell you? 148 00:09:25,991 --> 00:09:28,262 Uh, that they want something bad to happen. 149 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:31,251 What does that mean? 150 00:09:31,252 --> 00:09:34,260 She just is giggling. 151 00:09:34,261 --> 00:09:38,780 Have they tried to make bad things happen? 152 00:09:38,781 --> 00:09:42,081 Well, what did they say? 153 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:47,491 That she doesn't like the people who live here. 154 00:09:55,931 --> 00:09:58,406 - Hi, Salem. - Hi. 155 00:09:58,407 --> 00:10:00,524 (Steve) I'm finally able to sit down with Salem, 156 00:10:00,525 --> 00:10:02,828 who I'm the most concerned about in this case. 157 00:10:02,829 --> 00:10:05,176 She's the only one that's seen any paranormal activity. 158 00:10:05,177 --> 00:10:06,906 So I wanted to dig a little bit deep to find 159 00:10:06,907 --> 00:10:08,783 out what she's seen and what she's heard. 160 00:10:08,784 --> 00:10:10,597 I was wondering if you can explain some of the 161 00:10:10,598 --> 00:10:12,667 things that were going on, if that's okay with you? 162 00:10:12,668 --> 00:10:13,475 Yeah. 163 00:10:13,476 --> 00:10:17,648 Okay, why don't you tell me about what you experience when you're sleeping at night? 164 00:10:17,649 --> 00:10:20,437 There was this lady that came up on my bed. 165 00:10:20,438 --> 00:10:21,925 I was able to feel the pressure. 166 00:10:21,926 --> 00:10:23,625 And this happened while you were sleeping? 167 00:10:23,626 --> 00:10:26,000 Yeah, I woke up and saw her, and I talked to her, 168 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:27,996 but I really can't remember what she said. 169 00:10:27,997 --> 00:10:29,702 You said you felt? 170 00:10:29,703 --> 00:10:34,270 Mm-hmm, she was sitting like right over here while I was laying down. 171 00:10:34,271 --> 00:10:36,472 - And you weren't frightened? - No. 172 00:10:36,473 --> 00:10:38,758 - At all? - I felt kind of calm. 173 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:41,111 So seeing the apparitions doesn't scare you. 174 00:10:41,112 --> 00:10:42,912 No. 175 00:10:43,079 --> 00:10:46,107 I just find that a little strange, you know, that it wouldn't scare you. 176 00:10:46,108 --> 00:10:48,966 When I was younger, it scared me because I didn't understand, 177 00:10:48,967 --> 00:10:51,650 but when I got to, like, 7, I understood, like, 178 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:55,759 wait, ghosts can't harm you, only the living can. 179 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,013 I mean, I'm a retired Detective, 180 00:10:58,014 --> 00:11:00,413 and I've been in a lot of situations where I get scared. 181 00:11:00,414 --> 00:11:02,947 And I can sit here and say that that would scare me. 182 00:11:02,948 --> 00:11:03,940 Mm-hmm. 183 00:11:03,941 --> 00:11:07,664 Now you have an interest in World War II? 184 00:11:07,665 --> 00:11:11,334 Yeah. My mom started watching movies about Anne Frank. 185 00:11:11,335 --> 00:11:12,130 Okay. 186 00:11:12,131 --> 00:11:16,078 And I wasn't there back then in the 1940 to 1945 187 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:17,915 and 1944 when it happened. 188 00:11:17,916 --> 00:11:18,749 All right. 189 00:11:18,750 --> 00:11:20,831 And so that's when I got interested in, 190 00:11:20,832 --> 00:11:24,654 and I got some books and started reading about it. 191 00:11:24,655 --> 00:11:29,107 And I still have an interest in The Civil War with the Confederate and Union. 192 00:11:29,108 --> 00:11:34,568 I think it's, like, scary and cool at the same time. 193 00:11:38,652 --> 00:11:41,060 (Amy) See, this is where voices... 194 00:11:41,061 --> 00:11:45,021 There's a lot of voices in here. 195 00:11:45,316 --> 00:11:48,318 Lots of voices because people are coming and going here. 196 00:11:48,319 --> 00:11:50,220 Dead people are coming and going here. 197 00:11:50,221 --> 00:11:53,756 And they're walking back and forth, and they're walking back and forth. 198 00:11:53,757 --> 00:11:56,493 And there's a lot of talking, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 199 00:11:56,494 --> 00:11:59,057 And it's... people can hear it. 200 00:11:59,058 --> 00:12:02,557 People can hear people talking. 201 00:12:02,558 --> 00:12:05,213 The living people can hear the dead people talking. 202 00:12:05,214 --> 00:12:08,479 And they don't want to hear it. 203 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,415 And so they're like closing it off. 204 00:12:11,416 --> 00:12:14,296 Like, (Squeals) No. 205 00:12:19,131 --> 00:12:20,966 Lisa's concerned with their daughter. 206 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:22,841 Quite frankly, so am I. 207 00:12:22,842 --> 00:12:24,983 It's time for me to sit down with her husband John. 208 00:12:24,984 --> 00:12:29,664 And find out what he thinks about all this. 209 00:12:37,383 --> 00:12:40,459 Now, John, I'm curious about Salem. 210 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:42,665 She's pretty young. She's 9. 211 00:12:42,666 --> 00:12:45,697 Now she's seen quite a few things. 212 00:12:45,698 --> 00:12:48,788 I mean how... do you have a concern about that? 213 00:12:48,789 --> 00:12:51,137 Oh, yeah, I'm very concerned about that. 214 00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:53,944 That's been going on since we bought the house. 215 00:12:53,945 --> 00:12:58,349 We need to know is this something that is good? 216 00:12:58,350 --> 00:13:01,547 Is it evil? Is it... what is it? 217 00:13:01,548 --> 00:13:04,728 I'd like some answers. 218 00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:10,677 And, hm, somebody used to like... 219 00:13:10,678 --> 00:13:13,730 Walks up here, walks up here, right here, 220 00:13:13,731 --> 00:13:15,834 right here and then... (Imitates whispering) 221 00:13:15,835 --> 00:13:18,852 Somebody's standing here, and they're trying to talk. 222 00:13:18,853 --> 00:13:20,066 (Imitates whispering) 223 00:13:20,067 --> 00:13:23,009 Yeah, they're trying to talk. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 224 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,525 What are they trying to tell them? 225 00:13:25,526 --> 00:13:27,118 To leave. 226 00:13:27,119 --> 00:13:28,614 - To leave? - Yeah. 227 00:13:28,615 --> 00:13:29,521 Why? 228 00:13:29,522 --> 00:13:32,979 You need to leave because it's not safe. 229 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:35,920 Why isn't it safe? 230 00:13:36,549 --> 00:13:40,552 I think because so many people died around here. 231 00:13:40,553 --> 00:13:43,613 (Indistinct whispering) 232 00:13:50,857 --> 00:13:53,317 (Eerie music) 233 00:14:13,146 --> 00:14:15,382 (Amy) When I walked into the basement, 234 00:14:15,383 --> 00:14:19,085 I was struck with the image of death and disease. 235 00:14:19,086 --> 00:14:23,759 Bodies were just stacked up all over the room, all the way up to the ceiling. 236 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:29,580 And then I saw this evil man that was torturing this girl. 237 00:14:29,816 --> 00:14:34,268 Oh, I get this, like, kind of like weird... 238 00:14:34,269 --> 00:14:36,849 Like... like... 239 00:14:36,970 --> 00:14:42,190 Like he had the black hat and the black jacket and the black slacks. 240 00:14:42,191 --> 00:14:43,666 And.. 241 00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:47,643 He's doing weird things to this girl. 242 00:14:47,644 --> 00:14:49,829 Not even like... oh, man. 243 00:14:49,830 --> 00:14:53,851 [Bleeps] I'm getting these weird pains that hurt. 244 00:14:53,852 --> 00:14:59,752 He might be poking her, and it's over a long period of time. 245 00:15:00,127 --> 00:15:03,396 She felt poking it, poking it, didn't hurt. 246 00:15:03,397 --> 00:15:05,398 I'm like, really? Because it hurts me. 247 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:06,999 No, mnh-mnh. 248 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,570 It didn't hurt her. It was, like, poked. 249 00:15:09,571 --> 00:15:12,571 Like, poking, poking. 250 00:15:20,001 --> 00:15:22,749 (Steve) Doing my usual background investigation on a home. 251 00:15:22,750 --> 00:15:24,704 Nothing really jumps out at me on this case. 252 00:15:24,705 --> 00:15:27,019 The trail goes cold around 1946. 253 00:15:27,020 --> 00:15:30,824 That's when Cramerton Mills owned this town as well as this house. 254 00:15:30,825 --> 00:15:33,180 So I've set up a meeting with a man who literally 255 00:15:33,181 --> 00:15:37,801 wrote the book on the history of Cramerton. 256 00:15:44,771 --> 00:15:48,723 I'm conducting an investigation, actually, at a home that's in Cramerton, 257 00:15:48,724 --> 00:15:51,939 so I was wondering if you could give me some background information on the area, 258 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:53,380 on some of its history. 259 00:15:53,381 --> 00:15:56,423 The area that the house that you were looking at, 260 00:15:56,424 --> 00:15:59,399 is in what we called old town. 261 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,587 Which was the original part of town that was built to support, 262 00:16:02,588 --> 00:16:06,593 the families that lived and worked in the original mill. 263 00:16:06,594 --> 00:16:10,187 I'm trying to figure out if anything bad happened during that time? 264 00:16:10,188 --> 00:16:14,109 There was an earlier plague that came through the area... 265 00:16:14,110 --> 00:16:16,690 In 1902, 1903. 266 00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:21,974 I can't tell you for sure how many people were affected in Cramerton, 267 00:16:21,975 --> 00:16:24,110 but most of them died. 268 00:16:24,111 --> 00:16:26,334 And there would have been no mortuary. 269 00:16:26,335 --> 00:16:30,539 No way to keep that many dead bodies. 270 00:16:30,540 --> 00:16:36,120 So they lived in a segregated area called a Pest House. 271 00:16:38,892 --> 00:16:42,826 (Amy) You know, there's people laying down down here. 272 00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:46,487 And I don't know about that. 273 00:16:47,999 --> 00:16:49,869 I don't know. 274 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:51,255 I don't know about that. 275 00:16:51,256 --> 00:16:53,476 How many? 276 00:16:53,807 --> 00:16:56,757 People, how many people were down here? 277 00:16:56,758 --> 00:16:58,510 Quite a few, yes. 278 00:16:58,511 --> 00:17:01,177 Quite a few stacked. 279 00:17:01,178 --> 00:17:02,411 Ewe. 280 00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:05,063 Ugh, I don't know what that's about. 281 00:17:05,064 --> 00:17:09,502 Eh, they're like in sacks and, uh, sheets. 282 00:17:09,503 --> 00:17:11,501 And uh... 283 00:17:11,502 --> 00:17:14,273 There's a lot of women. 284 00:17:14,274 --> 00:17:15,829 And, uh... 285 00:17:15,830 --> 00:17:19,770 And there are children, a lot of children. 286 00:17:19,771 --> 00:17:23,311 And... and women, and, um... 287 00:17:23,719 --> 00:17:27,388 And they got sick. They were sick. 288 00:17:27,389 --> 00:17:30,749 And people are like this. 289 00:17:31,043 --> 00:17:32,284 (Groans) 290 00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:33,815 I'm sick, I'm sick. 291 00:17:33,816 --> 00:17:36,516 (Shudders, sighs) 292 00:17:36,604 --> 00:17:39,185 And they're all, like, cold. 293 00:17:39,186 --> 00:17:41,891 It's cold, and they're sick. 294 00:17:41,892 --> 00:17:43,690 And... 295 00:17:43,691 --> 00:17:49,504 And some of them, they don't have shoes, and, you know, and some of them don't... 296 00:17:49,505 --> 00:17:52,264 Don't even have, like, much clothing on. 297 00:17:52,265 --> 00:17:54,813 They don't feel so very well. 298 00:17:54,814 --> 00:17:57,514 And, um, very... 299 00:17:57,804 --> 00:17:59,075 Um... 300 00:17:59,076 --> 00:18:00,534 Sad. 301 00:18:00,535 --> 00:18:02,815 And, um... 302 00:18:03,223 --> 00:18:08,023 There's no building. There's just the Earth. 303 00:18:08,598 --> 00:18:11,778 All of them are dying. 304 00:18:17,957 --> 00:18:19,464 (Steve) After speaking with Larry, 305 00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:22,237 he told me that Cramerton was overrun with two epidemics. 306 00:18:22,238 --> 00:18:23,958 One in the early 1900s, 307 00:18:23,959 --> 00:18:27,715 and another one when the Native Americans inhabited the land over here. 308 00:18:27,716 --> 00:18:29,759 So now I'm gonna meet with a local historian. 309 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,100 Maybe he can shed some light on Cramerton's history. 310 00:18:43,838 --> 00:18:48,924 I'm doing an investigation regarding a home in and around the area of Cramerton. 311 00:18:48,925 --> 00:18:52,251 I understand there were two major plagues that happened in the history of this area. 312 00:18:52,252 --> 00:18:53,472 Right. 313 00:18:53,473 --> 00:18:57,085 And it would severely debilitate the population. 314 00:18:57,086 --> 00:18:59,433 I had read somewhere during the research I was doing 315 00:18:59,434 --> 00:19:01,618 that there was things called a Pest House? 316 00:19:01,619 --> 00:19:05,181 And was there a certain area where they would keep people quarantined? 317 00:19:05,182 --> 00:19:08,525 The idea of a quarantined area... 318 00:19:08,526 --> 00:19:13,507 Was particularly associated with diseases like um... 319 00:19:13,508 --> 00:19:15,081 Well, Smallpox. 320 00:19:15,082 --> 00:19:20,982 And there was disfigurement and scarring, and there was isolation. 321 00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:26,905 (Eerie music) 322 00:19:37,691 --> 00:19:40,161 (Amy) There's a lot of activity inside the house, 323 00:19:40,162 --> 00:19:43,464 but there's even more dead people outside. 324 00:19:43,465 --> 00:19:49,365 And I'm being drawn to the edge of the woods that run behind the property. 325 00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,797 I've never seen anything like it. 326 00:19:51,798 --> 00:19:54,438 (Frogs chirping) 327 00:19:54,842 --> 00:19:57,690 They're going down. 328 00:19:57,691 --> 00:20:00,691 That's really weird. 329 00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,850 They're just... yeah, they're just going... 330 00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:04,952 Being sucked right into the Earth. 331 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:07,167 And then the other ones are just crawling out, 332 00:20:07,168 --> 00:20:11,085 crawling up, standing up, and walking. 333 00:20:11,086 --> 00:20:13,782 I mean, obviously, I think there's water there. 334 00:20:13,783 --> 00:20:15,096 Hmm. 335 00:20:15,097 --> 00:20:16,177 Is that happening now? 336 00:20:16,178 --> 00:20:18,632 Like, the people who are coming up, though... 337 00:20:18,633 --> 00:20:20,868 They don't look so good. 338 00:20:20,869 --> 00:20:23,828 They don't look good at all, like, initially. 339 00:20:23,829 --> 00:20:27,402 Like, when they come up, and then they're like... 340 00:20:27,403 --> 00:20:31,177 They're like all, ugh, and they're, like, crawling. 341 00:20:31,178 --> 00:20:33,663 And then they... then they get... and they stand up. 342 00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:35,721 Can you describe them? 343 00:20:35,722 --> 00:20:38,362 Native American. 344 00:20:40,727 --> 00:20:43,437 Dr. May, I know that once white man settled, 345 00:20:43,438 --> 00:20:45,668 - they brought a lot of disease with them. - Right. 346 00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:48,616 So when Smallpox did hit the Native American population, 347 00:20:48,617 --> 00:20:50,374 what did they do with their dead? 348 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:53,429 They would have used the river as a means, 349 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:56,596 of disposal of the remains. 350 00:20:56,597 --> 00:21:00,437 To get it out of the community. 351 00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:05,849 They're going down... 352 00:21:07,464 --> 00:21:10,524 Like, into the water. 353 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:15,256 They're just going. People are coming up, walking. 354 00:21:15,257 --> 00:21:19,392 People... and then people are walking, and they're going down into the Earth. 355 00:21:19,393 --> 00:21:22,496 Like, literally down into the Earth. 356 00:21:22,497 --> 00:21:25,233 Is there any kind of opening or anything or... 357 00:21:25,234 --> 00:21:26,533 I don't know. 358 00:21:26,534 --> 00:21:30,284 Are they just kind of walking through it? Like... 359 00:21:30,285 --> 00:21:32,907 No, it's like they're being sucked into it. 360 00:21:32,908 --> 00:21:36,042 - Like is there any kind of... - Like... (Slurps) 361 00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:40,471 I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing. 362 00:21:40,472 --> 00:21:43,782 I feel kind of weird about it. 363 00:21:43,783 --> 00:21:48,121 Like, it's kind of freaking me out a little bit. 364 00:21:48,122 --> 00:21:51,182 (Indistinct whispering) 365 00:22:01,902 --> 00:22:04,902 (Train bell clanging) 366 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,366 (Eerie music) 367 00:22:20,353 --> 00:22:23,963 There are just a lot of people... 368 00:22:23,964 --> 00:22:27,761 Dead people that are just everywhere here. 369 00:22:27,762 --> 00:22:31,667 And this man came up, and he was trying to touch me. 370 00:22:31,668 --> 00:22:33,689 And I don't like him. 371 00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:36,407 He's not a good person. 372 00:22:36,408 --> 00:22:38,976 And I don't know if he's, like, manipulating himself 373 00:22:38,977 --> 00:22:41,112 or what because he's super tall. 374 00:22:41,113 --> 00:22:44,548 Like abnormal, like long arms and long legs. 375 00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:47,263 It's, like, doesn't look really normal to me. 376 00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:48,999 It looks really creepy. 377 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,821 Uh... 378 00:22:50,822 --> 00:22:53,902 He looks like a mortician would. 379 00:22:53,903 --> 00:22:57,651 (Amy) I see dead people every day, and it takes a lot to scare me. 380 00:22:57,652 --> 00:23:00,210 But this guy scares me. 381 00:23:00,211 --> 00:23:01,667 And... 382 00:23:01,668 --> 00:23:04,332 There's this woman... 383 00:23:04,333 --> 00:23:06,317 Who he... 384 00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:09,240 Keeps prodding her... 385 00:23:09,241 --> 00:23:12,210 Poking her, cutting her. 386 00:23:12,211 --> 00:23:14,671 (Eerie music) 387 00:23:21,584 --> 00:23:23,162 (Steve) Digging deeper into the case, 388 00:23:23,163 --> 00:23:26,099 I found that they have these places called Pest Houses 389 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:30,403 that quarantined people that fell sick to Typhoid Fever and Smallpox. 390 00:23:30,404 --> 00:23:34,507 In 1902 alone, there were 400 people confined to these Pest Houses. 391 00:23:34,508 --> 00:23:37,510 In a town whose population was 4,000 people at the time, 392 00:23:37,511 --> 00:23:39,299 that's a big chunk of the people. 393 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,720 Most interesting were the doctors that worked in these Pest Houses 394 00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:46,219 and the measures that they took to prevent themselves from getting infected. 395 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:48,680 (Eerie music) 396 00:23:59,065 --> 00:24:03,803 The dead man who looked like a mortician really scared me, 397 00:24:03,804 --> 00:24:06,272 and I saw him very clearly. 398 00:24:06,273 --> 00:24:09,109 So I'm gonna have the sketch artist draw him. 399 00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:12,321 So in this situation, it's a little bit different. 400 00:24:12,322 --> 00:24:15,672 The reason why it's different is because he... 401 00:24:15,673 --> 00:24:19,935 Is projecting how he wants people to see him. 402 00:24:19,936 --> 00:24:22,936 Which is not normal. 403 00:24:23,227 --> 00:24:25,536 So we're gonna draw that entire person. 404 00:24:25,537 --> 00:24:29,974 - Is that okay? - Okay, that's no problem. 405 00:24:29,975 --> 00:24:31,831 What kind of a shape, the head? 406 00:24:31,832 --> 00:24:34,472 It's elongated. 407 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:38,702 So the thing is is that he was very thin. 408 00:24:38,703 --> 00:24:41,763 Like, abnormally thin. 409 00:24:45,926 --> 00:24:51,826 His eyes were deep-set so his cheekbones were a little bit pronounced. 410 00:24:53,352 --> 00:24:55,812 That's good. 411 00:24:59,034 --> 00:25:00,594 What kind of clothes was he wearing? 412 00:25:00,595 --> 00:25:04,375 He had on a long black jacket. 413 00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:11,821 Okay, then, you think we're almost there? 414 00:25:11,822 --> 00:25:13,742 Yeah. 415 00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:26,543 How's that look? 416 00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:37,430 (Steve) So I finally uncover some real facts about this house. 417 00:25:37,431 --> 00:25:40,945 But that doesn't necessarily explain these experiences that Salem's having. 418 00:25:40,946 --> 00:25:44,807 She's a 9-year-old kid. Frankly I'm concerned about her. 419 00:25:44,808 --> 00:25:50,639 So I'm gonna break the rules a little bit here and ask Amy for help. 420 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,077 Amy, listen, this case has got me a little perplexed as far as the kid. 421 00:25:55,078 --> 00:25:58,143 - What's her name? - Her name is Salem. 422 00:25:58,144 --> 00:25:59,254 Okay. 423 00:25:59,255 --> 00:26:02,205 She's got an incredible infatuation with the dead. 424 00:26:02,206 --> 00:26:03,831 Now she's seen apparitions. 425 00:26:03,832 --> 00:26:06,534 She's not afraid of the paranormal whatsoever. 426 00:26:06,535 --> 00:26:08,276 I mean, she's pretty adamant about it. 427 00:26:08,277 --> 00:26:11,459 I've never seen a 9 year old so... 428 00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:13,881 Confident in the way she feels. 429 00:26:13,882 --> 00:26:16,509 I feel like I'm just out of my league with this one. 430 00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:20,014 And I think you're better suited to speak with her. 431 00:26:20,015 --> 00:26:22,585 I mean, I've talked to her as a Detective talks to a witness, 432 00:26:22,586 --> 00:26:25,740 - and once she speaks with you... - Mm hmm. 433 00:26:25,741 --> 00:26:28,552 I think you'll get a better idea of what's going on than I will. 434 00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:32,327 You know, myself, like, when I was a child and dealing with all of this, 435 00:26:32,328 --> 00:26:35,754 I was very fascinated and fixated on death as well. 436 00:26:35,755 --> 00:26:38,305 Like, I would see these things on television. 437 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:42,710 Lizzie Borden, became obsessed with that, became obsessed with Anne Frank. 438 00:26:42,711 --> 00:26:45,363 You have this fear of death. 439 00:26:45,364 --> 00:26:48,557 Because all you know of it is these people wandering around. 440 00:26:48,558 --> 00:26:52,227 It's funny you mention Anne Frank because she mentioned the same thing to me. 441 00:26:52,228 --> 00:26:53,632 Anne Frank specifically? 442 00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:54,908 - Yeah. - Interesting. 443 00:26:54,909 --> 00:26:56,538 - So... - Okay. 444 00:26:56,539 --> 00:26:59,000 The more you can help with her interview, 445 00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:04,161 I think its gonna bring a lot more to the table. 446 00:27:12,439 --> 00:27:16,383 (Amy) So I understand that you've had some unusual experiences? 447 00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:17,296 Mm-hmm. 448 00:27:17,297 --> 00:27:19,386 Can you tell me about a few of those? 449 00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:23,156 Like, maybe two or three that really stick out in your mind? 450 00:27:23,157 --> 00:27:26,436 - Well, one time, uh, in my room... - Mm hmm. 451 00:27:26,437 --> 00:27:30,314 And I saw a little girl playing through my closet, I was about like right here, and 452 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,390 she was like right in there. 453 00:27:32,391 --> 00:27:35,110 In the other room or in the closet? 454 00:27:35,111 --> 00:27:36,435 - Closet. - Okay. 455 00:27:36,436 --> 00:27:38,945 Playing through my clothes, and it looked like she was like a, 456 00:27:38,946 --> 00:27:41,149 girl maybe about 7 or 8. 457 00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:43,873 Maybe about a year younger than me. 458 00:27:43,874 --> 00:27:45,129 All right. 459 00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:50,150 And one time, I was sleeping in my bed, but I woke up, I feel... 460 00:27:50,151 --> 00:27:52,628 Feeling something, it looked like an old woman. 461 00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:55,155 And I was able to feel the pressure on the leg. 462 00:27:55,156 --> 00:27:56,789 - She was touching you? - Mm hmm. 463 00:27:56,790 --> 00:27:58,879 Why was she touching you? 464 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,562 Because I think I got in trouble that day, and I fell asleep crying. 465 00:28:02,563 --> 00:28:04,631 - So she was comforting you? - Mm hmm. 466 00:28:04,632 --> 00:28:05,901 Okay, okay. 467 00:28:05,902 --> 00:28:08,335 (Amy) You know, Salem and I are not that different. 468 00:28:08,336 --> 00:28:11,959 I started to see the dead at a very young age, too. 469 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,705 And hopefully I can help her understand what she's been experiencing. 470 00:28:16,706 --> 00:28:21,617 How long have you been kind of seeing the dead? 471 00:28:21,618 --> 00:28:23,807 Since we came here. 472 00:28:23,808 --> 00:28:25,729 - Since you moved here. - Yeah. 473 00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:28,904 Okay, so you never had any experiences before? 474 00:28:28,905 --> 00:28:33,847 No. My last house was calm. Like, it was a brand-new house, like a modern house. 475 00:28:33,848 --> 00:28:36,550 - Like, nobody was able to die in it yet. - Hmm. 476 00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:40,521 And so I did want to ask you about the dolls in the house. 477 00:28:40,522 --> 00:28:41,614 Mm-hmm. 478 00:28:41,615 --> 00:28:45,859 And I want to ask you how you feel about having all these dolls. 479 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:50,180 Um, I feel pretty all right with it... 480 00:28:50,303 --> 00:28:53,372 Except they get in your way, and they get on your nerves. 481 00:28:53,373 --> 00:28:55,079 - But not my mom, though. - Mm hmm. 482 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,108 She's like, don't bother them! They're all right. 483 00:28:57,109 --> 00:28:59,959 - They're not living. - Mm hmm. 484 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,830 - Do you want them to move the dolls or... - I want to scoot them out and... 485 00:29:03,831 --> 00:29:07,151 - Or stretch out the house. - Right, right, yes. 486 00:29:07,152 --> 00:29:10,764 So you feel good about the friendly dead? 487 00:29:10,765 --> 00:29:14,241 I believe that Jesus and God will be able to protect me. 488 00:29:14,242 --> 00:29:16,676 Okay, good. That's very good. 489 00:29:16,677 --> 00:29:21,214 So do you have any questions that you'd like to ask or anything like that? 490 00:29:21,215 --> 00:29:23,822 Have you ever seen anything, like, 491 00:29:23,823 --> 00:29:26,743 that you believe was bad or really bad? 492 00:29:26,744 --> 00:29:28,999 Yes, I have. 493 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,194 It's kind of like the living. 494 00:29:30,195 --> 00:29:32,335 There are some bad ones, and there are some good ones. 495 00:29:32,336 --> 00:29:33,628 Ooh. 496 00:29:33,629 --> 00:29:38,030 Have you felt, like, really, really calm when you see a ghost? 497 00:29:38,031 --> 00:29:39,954 Like, it made you happy to see it? 498 00:29:39,955 --> 00:29:42,886 Mm-hmm, yes, I've had some really good... 499 00:29:42,887 --> 00:29:45,372 Really good encounters with the dead. 500 00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:47,841 - Um, you okay? - Yeah. 501 00:29:47,842 --> 00:29:49,702 Yeah? What's going on? 502 00:29:49,703 --> 00:29:52,021 - My eyes are watery. - Okay. 503 00:29:52,022 --> 00:29:56,858 So, yeah, there, there are bad entities. And... 504 00:29:56,859 --> 00:29:59,578 It's good that you know to protect yourself. 505 00:29:59,579 --> 00:30:00,558 Mm-hmm. 506 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,680 It took me a long time to learn that because... 507 00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:08,821 - Yes, that absolutely works. - Yeah. 508 00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:13,890 (Indistinct whispering) 509 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:23,920 (Eerie music) 510 00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:47,009 (Steve) John, Lisa, it's good to see you again. 511 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:48,634 This is my partner Amy. 512 00:30:48,635 --> 00:30:50,902 Now the reason we're here is to try to give them a 513 00:30:50,903 --> 00:30:54,087 hand with some issues they're having in the house. 514 00:30:54,088 --> 00:30:58,284 Normally I don't meet with Amy until the end of our investigation. 515 00:30:58,285 --> 00:31:01,071 In this case, after speaking with Salem, 516 00:31:01,072 --> 00:31:03,741 I felt that I was a little bit out of my league. 517 00:31:03,742 --> 00:31:06,918 I thought Amy would be better suited to speak with her. 518 00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:09,758 She doesn't know what I uncovered till the end anyway. 519 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,027 Um, and I don't know what she sees on her walk. 520 00:31:14,028 --> 00:31:17,980 So this is the part where we both find out each other's findings in the investigation, 521 00:31:17,981 --> 00:31:19,365 and we share them with you. 522 00:31:19,366 --> 00:31:20,160 Right. 523 00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:23,350 Now I did a lot of research as far as the house goes. 524 00:31:23,351 --> 00:31:26,978 And the house is very old. It was built in 1900. 525 00:31:26,979 --> 00:31:29,332 There was a mill here years ago. 526 00:31:29,333 --> 00:31:34,060 Owner ran the mill and built these homes for the people that work there. 527 00:31:34,061 --> 00:31:35,975 This being one of the homes. 528 00:31:35,976 --> 00:31:38,313 But I got to be honest with you. 529 00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:42,381 I didn't come up with anything, documentation-wise, 530 00:31:42,382 --> 00:31:47,063 that brings me any validation to what you've seen here. 531 00:31:47,064 --> 00:31:49,499 So I talked with an historian. 532 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,624 Years ago, this was a... 533 00:31:51,625 --> 00:31:54,871 Large Native American area. 534 00:31:54,872 --> 00:31:56,077 Wow. Okay. 535 00:31:56,078 --> 00:32:00,561 So I wanted to know what the Native Americans did with their dead. 536 00:32:00,562 --> 00:32:02,984 He mentioned that if there were so many bodies 537 00:32:02,985 --> 00:32:05,101 that they couldn't do anything with them, 538 00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:09,850 they would throw them into the water, in the river. 539 00:32:09,851 --> 00:32:12,064 They're going down... 540 00:32:12,065 --> 00:32:15,125 Like, into the water. 541 00:32:15,523 --> 00:32:16,826 They're just going. 542 00:32:16,827 --> 00:32:20,136 People are coming up, walking. 543 00:32:20,137 --> 00:32:24,384 People... and then people are walking, and they're going down into the Earth. 544 00:32:24,385 --> 00:32:26,753 I mean, obviously, I think there's water there. 545 00:32:26,754 --> 00:32:28,991 Hmm. Like... 546 00:32:28,992 --> 00:32:31,691 No, it's like they're being sucked into it. 547 00:32:31,692 --> 00:32:34,610 - Like is there any kind of... - Like... (Slurps) 548 00:32:34,611 --> 00:32:37,947 I didn't get a positive feeling off of it. 549 00:32:37,948 --> 00:32:42,063 I felt very concerned about what the dead were doing, 550 00:32:42,064 --> 00:32:44,018 and why were they being sucked into the ground? 551 00:32:44,019 --> 00:32:46,603 Why were they coming out a mess? 552 00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:49,197 So I think that possibly, 553 00:32:49,198 --> 00:32:54,298 the mass disposal of their bodies in the creek... 554 00:32:55,212 --> 00:32:58,752 May have harmed their souls. 555 00:33:00,714 --> 00:33:03,524 On top of everything else, when... 556 00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:05,604 Settlers came here, they brought along, 557 00:33:05,605 --> 00:33:08,350 their new ways, and they also brought along disease. 558 00:33:08,351 --> 00:33:09,726 - Smallpox... - Okay. 559 00:33:09,727 --> 00:33:12,863 - The flu, stuff like that so... - That's something else I got. 560 00:33:12,864 --> 00:33:15,578 - You caught that? - Right. 561 00:33:15,579 --> 00:33:19,165 You know, there was people laying down down here. 562 00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:22,056 And I don't know about that. 563 00:33:22,057 --> 00:33:24,277 How many? 564 00:33:24,475 --> 00:33:27,454 People, how many people were down here? 565 00:33:27,455 --> 00:33:29,112 Quite a few, yes. 566 00:33:29,113 --> 00:33:31,778 Quite a few stacked. 567 00:33:31,779 --> 00:33:33,120 Ewe. 568 00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:35,695 Ugh, I don't know what that's about. 569 00:33:35,696 --> 00:33:40,316 Eh, they're like in sacks and, uh, sheets. 570 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:45,328 So here's kind of the bad news. 571 00:33:45,329 --> 00:33:49,314 Um, there's quite a bit of activity here. 572 00:33:49,315 --> 00:33:53,755 Um, there's a lot of dead in the area. 573 00:33:55,650 --> 00:34:00,563 So this is the man that I encountered, and he does look very strange. 574 00:34:00,564 --> 00:34:02,844 This is... 575 00:34:03,248 --> 00:34:07,628 How he looked when I initially met him. 576 00:34:08,795 --> 00:34:10,502 Oh, God. 577 00:34:10,503 --> 00:34:13,180 And then I wanted um... 578 00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:16,516 Them to do just his face. 579 00:34:16,517 --> 00:34:20,897 And that's kind of how his face looks. 580 00:34:22,111 --> 00:34:24,511 Oh, my God. 581 00:34:24,787 --> 00:34:26,378 So... 582 00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:29,436 He's definitely a menacing... 583 00:34:29,437 --> 00:34:31,153 Person. 584 00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:33,378 And he was looking for something. 585 00:34:33,379 --> 00:34:36,190 I don't know what it was, though. 586 00:34:36,191 --> 00:34:38,857 Well, it's interesting you mentioned about all that, 587 00:34:38,858 --> 00:34:42,991 because back when we were talking about these epidemics, when everybody was dying. 588 00:34:42,992 --> 00:34:46,167 They had these homes called these Pest Houses. 589 00:34:46,168 --> 00:34:52,068 Now what a Pest House was was a location where they brought all the sick. 590 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,531 Now I came across a photo of... 591 00:34:55,532 --> 00:35:00,088 It's a doctor that treated these people, like in let's say a leper colony. 592 00:35:00,089 --> 00:35:01,816 They wouldn't want to get too close to their 593 00:35:01,817 --> 00:35:05,062 patients because they were afraid of contamination. 594 00:35:05,063 --> 00:35:08,303 This is what they wore. 595 00:35:09,671 --> 00:35:11,531 Wow. 596 00:35:13,474 --> 00:35:16,534 (Indistinct whispering) 597 00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:34,081 Now I came across a photo of... 598 00:35:34,082 --> 00:35:38,933 It's a doctor that treated these people, like in let's say a leper colony. 599 00:35:38,934 --> 00:35:42,174 This is what they wore. 600 00:35:48,572 --> 00:35:51,092 That's weird. 601 00:35:58,295 --> 00:36:01,108 These bird masks worn by these Pest House doctors 602 00:36:01,109 --> 00:36:03,247 were basically like Medieval gas masks. 603 00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:05,716 So they went and put these long noses on these masks 604 00:36:05,717 --> 00:36:07,718 because they thought it would stop the infected air 605 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,138 from getting into their systems. 606 00:36:09,139 --> 00:36:11,222 And they also wore clothes from head to toe 607 00:36:11,223 --> 00:36:15,091 so that their skin wouldn't be exposed to the infected air. 608 00:36:15,092 --> 00:36:17,525 I mean, it looks bizarre, I don't know... 609 00:36:17,526 --> 00:36:21,665 He would poke them. And he was looking for something inside of them. 610 00:36:21,666 --> 00:36:26,998 So he would make little cuts, and he was looking for something. 611 00:36:26,999 --> 00:36:30,255 Now they did use a tool... 612 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:32,510 In order to examine the patients at that time, 613 00:36:32,511 --> 00:36:34,213 because they didn't want to get too close. 614 00:36:34,214 --> 00:36:37,652 - So they would prod at the bodies so... - Oh. 615 00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:39,594 I don't know if that all plays into what you saw. 616 00:36:39,595 --> 00:36:41,755 My gosh. 617 00:36:42,439 --> 00:36:47,504 When I was over there, this man came up, and he was trying to touch me. 618 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:50,220 He looks like a mortician. 619 00:36:50,221 --> 00:36:53,581 And there's this woman... 620 00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:56,110 Who he... 621 00:36:56,117 --> 00:36:58,713 Keeps prodding her... 622 00:36:58,714 --> 00:37:01,954 Poking her, cutting her. 623 00:37:03,105 --> 00:37:06,557 Oh, my gosh, this is so much to take in. 624 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,109 (John) Yeah. 625 00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:13,011 I feel like all this is from some fiction book, or a movie. 626 00:37:13,012 --> 00:37:14,648 Well, do you believe us now? 627 00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:20,068 I tried to tell you something was weird, but you didn't want to listen. 628 00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:22,527 Is it gonna bother Salem? 629 00:37:22,528 --> 00:37:24,808 (Amy) Yes. 630 00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:28,363 When I spoke with Salem... 631 00:37:28,364 --> 00:37:31,827 And with her interest in death... 632 00:37:31,828 --> 00:37:34,696 And seeing the dead. 633 00:37:34,697 --> 00:37:35,949 Is that... 634 00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:38,410 Wanting to... 635 00:37:38,696 --> 00:37:41,906 Have these experiences... 636 00:37:41,907 --> 00:37:44,916 You know that saying, be careful what you wish for? 637 00:37:44,917 --> 00:37:48,229 And so the dead are going to stay. 638 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:51,174 And you want them here. 639 00:37:51,175 --> 00:37:55,369 And that want, whether it be consciously or subconsciously, 640 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:58,070 keeps them here. 641 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,686 And I think... 642 00:38:03,687 --> 00:38:05,722 They... 643 00:38:05,723 --> 00:38:09,323 Want something bad to happen. 644 00:38:11,113 --> 00:38:13,405 Why do you say that they want something bad to happen? 645 00:38:13,406 --> 00:38:16,697 Because the little girl just told me that. 646 00:38:16,698 --> 00:38:20,744 She doesn't like the people who live here. 647 00:38:20,745 --> 00:38:25,352 When I spoke with the little dead girl, she indicated... 648 00:38:25,353 --> 00:38:29,365 That they were unhappy with the situation, and the situation is... 649 00:38:29,366 --> 00:38:32,630 That they don't want you guys in the house. 650 00:38:32,631 --> 00:38:36,051 And that they're plotting. 651 00:38:37,664 --> 00:38:39,866 They want you out of the home, 652 00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:42,968 or they want things to change so that the trapped, 653 00:38:42,969 --> 00:38:46,481 dead that are here can leave. 654 00:38:46,482 --> 00:38:47,989 Why are they trapped? 655 00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:50,410 There's too many things. 656 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,584 There's too many dolls. There's too much. 657 00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:56,918 Dolls were first created... 658 00:38:56,919 --> 00:38:59,335 Um, in order to house the dead. 659 00:38:59,336 --> 00:39:01,602 Or to be vessels for the dead. 660 00:39:01,603 --> 00:39:07,483 Um, because they're human-looking, but they're empty inside. 661 00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:13,741 So one of the things that crossed my mind was is it possible that, 662 00:39:13,742 --> 00:39:17,303 some of them have been trapped inside the dolls? 663 00:39:17,304 --> 00:39:19,704 I hope not. 664 00:39:19,816 --> 00:39:24,146 So you're options are you can clear out the dolls or... 665 00:39:24,147 --> 00:39:26,405 Yeah, you can move. 666 00:39:26,406 --> 00:39:31,746 But basically, this is just gonna continue to happen. 667 00:39:37,737 --> 00:39:40,197 It is, uh... 668 00:39:40,741 --> 00:39:42,288 It's very scary. 669 00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:47,334 What you brought us tonight is very scary, very scary indeed. 670 00:39:47,335 --> 00:39:50,581 - I feel horrible. I mean... - Yeah. 671 00:39:50,582 --> 00:39:53,028 - This is not what I expected. - No. 672 00:39:53,029 --> 00:39:57,285 I thought it was something you could deal with or be taken care of or... 673 00:39:57,286 --> 00:40:01,186 - Yeah. - I feel really terrible. 674 00:40:02,168 --> 00:40:04,862 - I love my dolls. That's part of my... - Right. 675 00:40:04,863 --> 00:40:07,772 - 90% of my life has to do with dolls. - Right. 676 00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:10,612 And now, you know, I'm like what should I do? 677 00:40:10,613 --> 00:40:12,757 Should I, you know... should I move? 678 00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:15,892 Or should I get rid of the dolls, or...? 679 00:40:15,893 --> 00:40:18,390 - I don't know. I'm just very horrified. - Well, that's... 680 00:40:18,391 --> 00:40:21,824 - And I really don't feel well right now. - Mm hmm. 681 00:40:21,825 --> 00:40:25,798 And it makes me scared for Salem. I don't want her frightened. 682 00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:30,814 And I hate it that whoever they are that they don't like my dolls. 683 00:40:30,815 --> 00:40:34,592 They don't want us in the house, but, you know, I feel like it's my house now. 684 00:40:34,593 --> 00:40:37,989 - Right. - And I don't like them going through it. 685 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:43,890 And I don't know if I want to continue living here or not. 686 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:48,708 Um, also, you have the fascination with... 687 00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:51,605 The death and the paranormal, which, 688 00:40:51,606 --> 00:40:55,438 you know, they will linger around for that. 689 00:40:55,439 --> 00:40:58,437 Well, so far, things aren't that bad. 690 00:40:58,438 --> 00:41:00,670 But will it get worse? 691 00:41:00,671 --> 00:41:02,831 Oh, yes. 692 00:41:09,016 --> 00:41:11,428 I'm horrified. I just... 693 00:41:11,429 --> 00:41:15,346 It's just scary. It's creepy, and it's not what I expected. 694 00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:17,575 You know, I'll never be comfortable again. 695 00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:18,617 Mm-hmm. 696 00:41:18,618 --> 00:41:20,760 There are ways to alleviate it. 697 00:41:20,761 --> 00:41:23,622 You can't stop it, but you can alleviate it. 698 00:41:23,623 --> 00:41:25,250 There's ways to do that, 699 00:41:25,251 --> 00:41:29,527 one of them would be to remove as many dolls from the house as possible. 700 00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:35,152 And then do a thorough cleaning and cleansing of the house, top to bottom. 701 00:41:35,153 --> 00:41:37,596 And I can tell you how to do this. 702 00:41:37,597 --> 00:41:40,200 But you feel that you can take that first step of 703 00:41:40,201 --> 00:41:43,987 trying to make room and cleansing some of the dolls... 704 00:41:43,988 --> 00:41:45,977 - Yeah. - And the house. 705 00:41:45,978 --> 00:41:48,693 I would like to until, you know, it can be... 706 00:41:48,694 --> 00:41:51,395 - Okay for us to move. - Right, right, exactly. 707 00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:54,166 So a lot of good may come out of this in the long run. 708 00:41:54,167 --> 00:41:56,267 Mm-hmm. 709 00:41:56,271 --> 00:41:59,330 And you might have stopped something before it got out of hand. 710 00:41:59,331 --> 00:42:01,431 Mm-hmm. 711 00:42:01,974 --> 00:42:07,050 (Amy) Having to tell a family that their children could be in danger... 712 00:42:07,051 --> 00:42:10,575 Is probably the hardest part of my job. 713 00:42:10,576 --> 00:42:16,150 But if the dead want them out, it's my responsibility to tell them. 714 00:42:16,151 --> 00:42:22,051 Sync and corrections by P2Pfiend.